We Heart... Windows?

That's my point though BG, I'm just trying to say that it doesn't cost much more than a new console to get a good gaming computer that you can do tons of more things on. I just don't like that poeple seem to think gaming on a PC is exorbitantly more expensive than gaming on a console.
Both consoles and PC have great games but each can offer different and unique experiences, but recent trends have seen companies watering down some PC stuff to try and cram into onto a gampad interface, and I wouldn't want Spore or Diablo 3 to do that and I think they would have to. I would rather see unique stuff made with the 360 in mind like with Civ Revolutions and keep the PC franchise that it is spun from unique and different on the PC. I love both the PC and 360 civ games and at least that way I have a choice between a more complex longer 10-12 hour experience in Civ 4 or a more breezy 4-6 hour kind of fun like Revolutions.

Excuse 2 things:
My double post

And I misread, sorry, either way without anti-aliasing its still damn hard to believe.

I can't possibly see how you're running a 2.8ghz P4 with 2GB DDR2 RAM and a 128MB DDR2 Gfx card and getting 30fps full settings anti-aliased, especially at that resolution, considering Sim City Societies will run 15fps on the lowest graphical settings for me...1GB RAM does not improve performance THAT much, specifically graphical performance. My friend has a 512MB DDR gfx, 2.6ghz Duo Dualcore with 2GB DDR2 RAM and he can play oblivion with high settings, no anti-aliased at about 25fps.

(Yes I know RAM is cheap, was thinking of buying a stick last night for 30 bucks).

THe point I'm really trying to get at is for me to upgrade my computer, I would need to spend a hefty price to prepare it for the "next-gen" again. (Power Supply, Graphics Card, RAM, Processor)...Quad cores are 200-400, to upgrade to 3GB RAM would be roughly 60 bucks, 4 is 120; Graphics (for a good one) is 200ish...I'd be looking at 400 to 700 bucks to upgrade, and I'd rather go for higher end because if I spend minimal to upgrade, it'd just cost more in the long run....Most people don't have that type of money on hand to just upgrade a computer to play a game. (And even if I downgraded to dual-core, still 150-400)

BG001
I don't mean to say I think console gamers are ignorant. I love my 360 and love console games and think there are games which much better suit that experience than my PC. What I was calling ignorant is the typical view of PC's as being more expensive to have similar fun experiences. I have the same specs as you except for 1 more gig of RAM(which is fairly cheap nowadays by the way), and can run Bioshock at 1680 x 1050 with everything but antialiasing and anistropic filtering(neither of which is that important at higer resolutions anyway) turned up all the way and get about 30fps. And trust me you can find a better PC than that for about 500-600 on the web easy. My roomate just built a better one for about 450. Crysis is the only recent game that I can't run games on at a 360 equivalent level and get 30fps.

IHaveNoGamertag
First your forgetting the mouse AND keyboard. Keyboards add a lot more buttons to that combo. Plus it's not the button amount it is the precision of being able to quickly click and kill the right enemy in a split second which any Diablo fan knows is key. The closest game to Diablo currently on 360 is Marvel Ultimate Allaince, which I love, but I hate every time I waste half my "mana" trying to hit an enemy with a superpower and have it whip by them becasue I was off by a millimeter on the analog stick. The way Raven gets by with it is by making relativly easier compared to Diablo is having smaller mobs and less tacticaly crazy fights than Diablo. I'm not saying it cant be done, I'm just saying I haven't seen anybody figure out a way of being able to use a controller to pick out the exact enemy I need to kill to survive out of a swarm of 50 guys on screen, 3 who are poison and 3 lightening enchanted, and kill him in the next 2 seconds before he resurects the 25 goons I previously hacked through while chugging life saving health potions. All of which I can easily accomplish with a simple hovering mouse cursor and keyboard combo. I don't think it is just that diablo is optimized for the pc, its overall game design is for the pc, just like why I don't care for playing a fighting game with a keyboard and mouse because it's inherent design is made for a joystick/controller type interface.

bakakaba
"I would lve to see Diablo 3 get a bigger audience and sell even more by copies releasing on the 360. I just think the series works better on a PC and i wouldn't want to see it's crazy 50 enemies on the screen clicking like mad with a mouse like gameplay that I love watered down to fit the controller"

You realize that Diablo III has been optimized to play with just the mouse right? That's two buttons and a scroll wheel. How does a gamepade with more buttons than that water down the gameplay?

I would love to see a 360 version of Diablo. I find the gamepad a way more satisfying way to pulverize people with giant axes and sitting on much couch is more comfortable and less troublesome for my back than slouching over a mouse and keyboard in my computer chair.

To stop from myself getting flamed, let me point out that I'm not a person who hates PC gaming or anything because I actually like PC gaming (but it is fact that I like console more), I'm just stating key facts/points about the cost of one over the other.

I have...*had* a gaming computer so it's not like I'm just an "ignorant" Console gamer. I do have an HDTV, 2 of them, none of which costed "$2000," and didnt even cost that much put together.

"bakakaba
You can easily buy a good gaming computer for no more than a PS3 and use it for much more than gaming."

-The problem with that is your still paying probably 360 price anyways, and the 360 has much more to offer (if your going to go with technical specifications). Yes, you can email, go on the internet, etc. But you don't need a super-gaming computer for this. I have a 2.8GHZ P4, 1GB RAM, 128MB DDR Nvidia (replaced my defunct 256MB Raedon), and I can read my emails, surf the web, do my typical (and advanced) image and video editing with few to no problems. This would cost somewhere near $300-$400 brand new. This cannot play any PC games at 30FPS. None, unless you want to go back to 2001.
In order for me to upgrade (as said in my older post) to play a more current game at reasonable speeds and reasonable quality, I would need to spend near $600-$700 dollars, with which I could buy a 360 and a couple games, or a new TV. (Not to mention I have a 20-inch CRT which could be upgraded and last time I checked, LCD Monitors can be $200-$500...because I've been looking at a $500 24-inch 1080p monitor).

"Mitch OXM
Console gamers often neglect their 2000 dollar HDTV when arguing "OH! COMPUTERS COST LIKE, A THOUSAND DOLLARS TOO XPENZIVE LOL"
PC games also rarely break the fifty dollar limit, whereas 60 or 70 is the console standard."

I don't neglect my 2000 dollar HDTV because I don't have one, I do have my $900 1080p 32" LCD though, which I could also use for...wait for it...computing! Yes, I could get a new computer for $900, but I already have 3 computers, but I've decided why not just upgrade for my own viewing pleasure? Plus most games that come out on PCs today are typically followed up by the console counterpart. As for the price of games, your absolutely correct, although I don't know about 70, 60 is definately the standard for 360. You look at it, its only $10 bucks for a game that should run a smooth 30fps on a $400 (or less) machine, with a good quality. If it doesnt run 30fps then that's the developer's problem, not your hardware, whereas with PC, it's typically the other way around, you pay 50 to run at 25fps on your $1000 dollar machine through your $300 monitor.

PCs are great for gaming, don't get me wrong, but its typically cheaper for most people to go with a console, because I can play on a 13" CRT POS if I want to (but I choose not to). With computers upgrading at a rough 6-month cycle, its hard to keep up with the "latest and greatest" or even the medium end area.

To respond to Axe's argument that a TV you can use for games and tv, but gaming pcs don't have multiple uses I just say What? Are trying to say you can't use your gaming pc for email, web surfing, home business, and all the other things people use computers for? It's why I'm willing to pay for a good computer because I know it can do more so much than just play games and dvds like a console. And it isn't hard to avoid viruses. AVG is a good free virus scanner and as long as you don't spend 24 hours a day looking for free porn it's pretty simple to avoid them. It's like my friend always says, using a computers is like looking for a sex partner if it looks dirty or cheap, you'll probably catch something you don't want. So Yes PCs require a little more knowledge and care than an Xbox, but there is so much more to it.

Now after that, to respond to Hill Watcher and more what I meant to say in response to the article, is I'm not sure Diablo III would work even if they figure a control scheme. While RTS's have finally made the leap from PC to console, they follow one of 2 paths. They scale down gameplay and are easy as heck(although the PC version is just as much of a pushover in RTS terms) like Battle for Middle Earth, or they have steep learning curve that doesn't exist on its pc counterpart a la Supreme Commander. I would lve to see Diablo 3 get a bigger audience and sell even more by copies releasing on the 360. I just think the series works better on a PC and i wouldn't want to see it's crazy 50 enemies on the screen clicking like mad with a mouse like gameplay that I love watered down to fit the controller.

I'm not a guy who knows how to hook up a computer, and I don't know how to deal with gazillions of dumb viruses either. One deadly virus and BOOM! There goes the PC or your data(Like my last two computers). I grew up with a controller, not a mouse pad, and honestly, I don't plan on using a mouse pad. I'm fine and happy with LIVE. Xbox Live is the best online gaming service, and it easily connects you to your gaming with friends. However, as for Mitch OXM's last comment, there's a huge difference between an HDTV and a gaming PC. I can use the HDTV for both gaming AND normal television. After you get an HD, it just gets hooked up, and you're set. A gaming PC is big time-investment and a money investment. It also requires dedication when a virus murders it.

One of the big problems with a PC game is that the technology it is used on changes on an almost yearly basis. A console on the other hand is relatively static and does not change hardware wise (speaking of course to functionality and not size). A game that is released in two years might be nearly impossible to port to a console, leaving gaps that many hard-core gamers might not forgive. The upgradeability of a PC might therefore prevent a game from making a successful transition to a console.
Another problem might be consumer base. Only some of the hard-core gaming audience might also play games on a PC. They might not buy a game for another platform if they already own it on one. Also, less hardcore gamers might not even know about a game, like Diablo 3, and therefore pass it over. When I was only a wee little gamer playing my in-box games on my Xbox, I had no knowledge of Diablo at all. Shockingly, this might hold true for a large percentage of the gaming audience.
Yes, a good gaming PC costs hundreds of dollars, but so does a console. To an extent, a console gamer looking at PCs is like a pen and paper games enthusiast looking at consoles. The reaction of: “Wow! That seems a little expensive” is the same for both. A console gamer would rather purchase another console at a lower price over time than a single computer to be upgraded. The pen and paper person probably go for a Nintendo DS before a Wii or anything higher on the power scale.
The formerly PC only genre of RTS was changed by games like Battle for Middle Earth and the like, which show that controls can be modified successfully for a game pad.
Online service could be the starting point of a blending of the two platforms. Starting with interaction online, developers can learn what needs to be done for a future with almost limitless interaction and sharing between the two platforms. Unfortunately, this comes long after Diablo 3 and Spore.

Although, I would like to see Spore on 360.

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Sorry for the rant.

PPS
Props to ill_sue_ya for the TFU reference

The argument that PC gaming is more expensive than home gaming really bugs me... Console gamers often neglect their 2000 dollar HDTV when arguing "OH! COMPUTERS COST LIKE, A THOUSAND DOLLARS TOO XPENZIVE LOL"

PC games also rarely break the fifty dollar limit, whereas 60 or 70 is the console standard.

I think it would be cool to see Diablo 3 on the Xbox, but I'm not sure it would work control wise. Other Diablo-esque games like Raven's Marvel and X-men legends and the BG Dark Allinace games were made for consoles, but they never really captured that same feeling as Diablo's frenetic clicking.

As for the previous posts about computers being more difficult and expensive, that's ignorant and lazy. You can easily buy a good gaming computer for no more than a PS3 and use it for much more than gaming. Crysis would likely be the only game you wouldn't be able to get good frame rates with, at least with the pretty, high graphics settings anyway. As for difficulty, computers and parts are moving more and more towards tooless easy snap in parts. Plus, there is a trend, led to a degree by Blizzard towards making games easy to run on even older computers.

I love my 360 and all it has to offer, but I don't think I need to see great PC franchises that often are scaled down on it when it has plenty greats of it's own.

I agree, it costs alot to game on PC. I understand why people like it to an extent, but when you have something (such as your 360) which will allow you to easily connect with your friends and play, what's the point of paying so much to get a good gaming computer? In order for me to play today's games on PC, I would need to spend a good $700 just to upgrade my computer's graphics, RAM, and Processor. I used to be able to play games on this computer in 2005, but now I'd have to pull out that $700 to get back in the loop.

You only forget to mention the price and effort that PC gaming demands. First of all, not everyone is a PC genius or tech expert. I'm certainly not. Secondly, many people have to dish out over $1,000 just to own a good PC for gaming. If not, you'll have to make it yourself with parts. That is an effort in itself. I grew up with the old-school Nintendo consoles, and honestly, console gaming is much more simplified than PC gaming. Instead of buying an expensive PC or spending hours making one, you could just go to the store and pay $300 for an Xbox 360. Hook it up at home, and you're done. Honestly, computers make you work for your game.

Starcraft2plz

borderlands and star wars force unleashed sound way better than the two combined.